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Healing the Body & Family Trauma: Constellations & Osteopathy | Candice Nesrallah

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In this episode of the Zulu One podcast, I sit down with osteopath Candice Nesrallah, whose unique path through life and healing has shaped her integrative approach to bodywork and family constellations.

After high school, Candice set out on a world journey, soaking in cultures from China to Australia while working in a variety of roles. That experience led her to Sutherland Chan Massage Therapy College, where she graduated as a Registered Massage Therapist in 2007. Fueled by wanderlust, she continued exploring countries like Thailand, Cambodia, and Tanzania, diving deeper into alternate health practices. Her career later advanced in Vancouver before she moved to Toronto, where over the past decade she completed medical acupuncture training at McMaster University and graduated from the Canadian College of Osteopathy’s seven-year program in 2021.

Today, Candice is focused on publishing her thesis on life force energy within osteopathy and brings her enriched perspective into every therapy session, helping clients access their innate capacity to heal. Together, we explore how energetic fields shape the body, why healing starts with noticing what’s *not right* instead of what’s wrong, and how systemic constellations align beautifully with osteopathy’s principles.

This is a fascinating conversation about alignment, energy, and healing that bridges cultures, modalities, and wisdom traditions.

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For the purposes of this podcast, the interviewee used the term 'Osteopath' to refer to the profession as a whole. It's important to note that 'Osteopath' is a trademarked title for American D.O.s, while in Canada, we are recognized as Osteopathic Manual Practitioners. Candice Nesrallah is an Osteopathic Manual Practitioner. Additionally, the term 'diagnose' falls outside the scope of practice for Canadian Osteopathic Manual Practitioners and was used here solely to describe findings in the context of this podcast.

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Speaker 1:

Hi, welcome to the Zulu One Podcast. Today I'm joined by Candice Nasrallah, an osteopath whose journey through global healing traditions has shaped a deeply integrative approach. From massage therapy to acupuncture to a seven-year osteopath program, candice brings a wide lens to the body's wisdom. We explore how she weaves family constellations into her work, the power of energetic fields and why healing begins by noticing what's not right rather than what's wrong. Let's get into it, candice.

Speaker 2:

Hi John.

Speaker 1:

How are you?

Speaker 2:

I'm good.

Speaker 1:

Long time no see.

Speaker 2:

Long time no see. I heard you might be going back to Scottsdale soon.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we were talking about planning another workshop.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And seeing what the days look like. So we connected with a group locally that are very familiar with family consolation. So we're working on planning what the next kind of series of consolation is going to look like.

Speaker 2:

Oh well, I'm actually going to be there too.

Speaker 1:

You are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh nice.

Speaker 1:

When are you going?

Speaker 2:

I'm going on the 28th.

Speaker 1:

The 28th of May. Yeah, oh, nice, nice, you going, I'm going on the 28th, the 28th of May, yeah. Oh, nice, nice we might be able to work something together.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 1:

That'd be really cool if it worked out, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm going to be there until the 2nd of June.

Speaker 1:

Okay, good, yeah, been several months since, since the workshop, and you know, I, I, um, I watched the podcast that you did with Tammy on on your work, right, the work with the body, and I was very interested in getting your perspective, because it seems like the podcast that you guys did was like right before we had done the workshop, and I'd love to hear your thoughts, from your perspective, of what's happened over the last couple months, um, and if you gained any insights or kind of what your experience was like I know there's like uh, like a ripple effect from the session that we did and I think I think, like some of the maybe the more family issues that were happening around that time, I feel like there was energetically.

Speaker 2:

They shifted sort of on their own or there was, there was a change, whether I initiated it or not or someone else initiated it. It just felt like there was some kind of ripple effect that shifted the dynamic of the relationships in my family over the last few months and I can't really explain it or what it was that shifted. But there is more of a coming together or more of a let's start in this moment now and sort of allow that past to kind of resolve.

Speaker 1:

That's beautiful.

Speaker 2:

I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean that's what it working looks like. You know that the conflicts that used to exist in the family system kind of dissipate and there's an aspect of the oxygen is taken out of the conflict and the fire, rather than this being this raging fed, repeated raging fire that it just like starts turning the gas off a little bit on it and then, and then, little by little, it reverberates through the whole family. It's, it's really weird I do this.

Speaker 1:

I've been doing this for years and it doesn't make any sense yeah, I guess it's a lot of.

Speaker 2:

It is also intention. So I guess the intention of healing, of stepping into the space that you're creating, of being open to the change and the unfolding, then that must just create the unwinding of the tension that was being held.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and have you? I know that you do osteopathy. Is that that's correct? Yeah, the correct pronunciation Mm-hmm, and that's work with a body Correct, yeah. And do you feel and I've I've noticed this with people is that touch is such a prime sense that you know, you, almost you get into somebody's field, almost you know, like their energetic field? Does that happen to you when you're working with somebody?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely there is kind of like a coming in from outside moving inward towards the physical or the denser part of the structure, part of the structure, um, and so typically, um, there's more of like a distortion that happens in the energy field and then over time that distortion ends up manifesting as physical symptoms. So you can, like you can, kind of correct the physical symptoms by correcting the energetic field. It's kind of similar to what you, what we just did with with the, with the trauma healing. It's like we came into the space, we worked together, we released the tension of the trauma and then through, through that work, and then through that work, it, it, it create, it kind of corrected the physical, the physical manifestation of my family trauma or whatever issues going on. So it's kind of like that it's like you come in from outside, going in to make the changes within.

Speaker 2:

So you can oh wow you can kind of correct the energetic field and by correcting the field you correct the physical.

Speaker 1:

And do you see that? You know, with that you're dealing with your clients over many, many instances that things start releasing as they start? You know that maybe they had a shoulder, that they were at a problem with the shoulder, that that starts releasing over time and it just gradually gets for lack of a better term unentangled or less dense.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, it can sometimes happen instantaneously, right on the treatment table. It can you know, because a lot of what osteopathy is like. To be a good osteopath, you need to have presence and you need to have palpation, which is you know, you need to be able to understand how to find the structure and treat the structure. So you have to have a palpatory, fine, fine-tuned sensory experience of of your, of your hands on a patient, and then you also need to have sort of power or potency or energy within yourself to help the other person make the change within them.

Speaker 1:

So you almost have to be a line structure yourself, conduit of that energy or that movement that you're like, a clear vessel of that work.

Speaker 2:

That's the ideal that movement that you're like a clear vessel of that of that work.

Speaker 2:

That's the ideal and and that's an ongoing journey. For an osteopath, I think it's like, and for any human really, it's the, it's sort of the ongoing journey towards reaching a higher consciousness, or God consciousness or whatever it is you want to call it, but, like, always striving for that evolution of self and that will, that type of um, that type of work really helps you to anchor into the present moment, the mindfulness, the mindfulness, the, the sort of like the stillness, and within that stillness you create that, yeah, you would create a channel that helps the energy flow through you, into um, into the patient, and then and then with your, with your intention, you can make changes instantaneously within the tissue, or sometimes, depending on the client or the severity of the issue, or even the capacity for that client to let go of whatever it is that's causing their pain, all play into the factors of like how long things resolve, how long it takes something to resolve.

Speaker 1:

Wow, and how? How long does it take the effects? Do you see a pattern in that? Does it? Sometimes it's instantaneous and up up to several years, or is that? How does that timeline work?

Speaker 2:

um, it really depends on the patient. It really depends, because it depends on how clear the container is of the patient with, let's say, like long-standing chronic issues that have compensated over compensation, over compensating, like kind of building that onion layer of trauma. Then it's like how many treatments is it really going to take to keep sort of peeling back those layers so that you kind of eventually get to the root cause of what's going on in in the pain complex or whatever it is that they're presenting with?

Speaker 1:

almost like a compounding effect of a trauma right that they've that's compounded over years with people compensating with, you know, tending to it or overcompensating for it and and almost babying the, and then you have secondary and tertiary effects on the body. That's, that's fascinating. Yeah, I can't imagine how yeah, and then it can.

Speaker 2:

It can be also like the consciousness of the patient and where they're at and where their belief systems lied and do they believe that they can get better? Do they want to get better? Do they believe that what you're doing is helpful? Uh, are they really ready to truly let go of that issue? And then, like, do they have the vitality to like heal them, like for the body to help? Like, do they have the vitality to like heal them, like for the body to help restore and regenerate and renew itself? Are they? Are they like, um? Are they holding that, that power within?

Speaker 1:

Hmm, you know it, it almost seems like there this um, I love Gabor Mate, I'm a, I'm a. I like his book. When, when the Body Says no, you know that that that physical ailment is almost used as a vessel for the trauma to be manifest and that it has a purpose. You know, in some ways, that the physical ailment has a purpose to be there because it's trying to bring attention to something else. Trying to bring attention to something else, and do you see, when you remove that, that the person says, oh, I can finally deal with this psychological thing that they're processing through.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, there's like in osteopathy. We talk about the lesion which is sort of maybe, let's say just like the dysfunction of whatever it is that's happening. So the idea in osteopathy is like you don't go looking for what's wrong, you go looking for what's not going right. Oh, so you're like, you're not looking for the the symptom, like in western medicine. Right, you got you're. You're treating the symptom, not the cause, not the root not, not the actual problem.

Speaker 2:

So it's like what is not going right in the body that ends up creating what's actually what's now presenting as going wrong. So it's, in a way, like we're looking for what's not going right. So you, you, when you're working with the structure and with the tissues, the idea is not to go into, uh, the lesion itself. You don't go into the darkness, you go trying to find where is the light within that darkness, because it's that light that's actually going to release what's going with what the lesion is. It's going to, it's going to transmute the lesion and then allow the thing to resolve.

Speaker 1:

Oh, wow, yeah, it's like that's fascinating. In in in constellation work, we look for the block Okay, like what is not in alignment.

Speaker 1:

So it's very similar with how the that works with, with, with your you know, with your modality, and it's just fascinating how all these things kind of meet in the middle, you know, and a fascinating thing it's like, when somebody has a disorder in the family system, that's usually because something's not aligned system and a digestive system and all of our cells down to you know, the most basic components of who we are. But we also are individuals that are part of a family system and we both have parents and we have siblings or not, or you know family members, and then we're part of a community. So it's deep, systemic work on a physical, you know, on a physical realm. That's been very fascinating to me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1:

Have you, have you seen that, that after you've done the, the constellation, have you seen different effects in your work? Have you seen that? To be more open to intuition Is that, is it still the same, or has that affected it at all?

Speaker 2:

Hmm, I mean, it's hard to say, it's hard to say what, like, I feel like my work is expands exponentially on a progressive level. So, like every everything, including family constellations level. So, like every everything, including family constellations, is sort of opening and clearing and allowing my, my house, to become clearer and clearer and clearer, and so, for sure, that was a moment in time that helped to facilitate, uh, another layer of uh film coming off of my window. Um, yeah, I definitely. I definitely feel like in the last few months, since I guess it was january, um, there have been some like interesting shifts in my work, as well as like new creative, uh, new creative avenues that I feel like I've opened up to oh, that's beautiful yeah so tell me a little bit about how you got into this work.

Speaker 1:

How did you know you seem very connected, very intuitive, um, very aligned. How did you, how did you jump into the work that you're doing now?

Speaker 2:

I feel like the work kind of found me. I talked a little bit about it, uh, with Tammy in the podcast with her, but I think, to be honest, like I didn't have a very good, um, formative years, uh, experience, and I felt quite lost coming out of high school. I didn't really have much parental guidance in terms of, you know, following the norm of going to university after school and and I didn't really have clear direction. So I I actually ended up just deciding that, on a whim, that I was going to teach English abroad as like kind of my next stepping stone for experience, and anyway, that stepping stone kind of continued on for a very long time.

Speaker 1:

For years you went on an adventure. It sounds like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, on for a very long time. For years you went on an adventure, it sounds like, yeah, I um. And then when I came back from my adventure, I started working in a, in a, in a restaurant, in a bar or whatever, and it was anyway it was. It was an employee of this bar. That kind of introduced me to a massage therapy school okay, and he, I never, never, really.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I thought maybe paramedics. I thought maybe nursing. I was kind of in the realm of like going down that road in terms of like health and sciences, but I didn't really understand how I was going to get there or what the path was going to be. And so when this person introduced me to the school that he was going to, it kind of opened a door for me to to be like, oh, I can actually kind of go through this avenue, which I didn't even know really existed. I it wasn't in my consciousness to go to massage therapy school. I was thinking like, yeah, maybe paramedics or nursing or I don't know, physio or something. But I didn't have any like academic background and I felt kind of, I felt very intimidating, intimidated to go to university. I just didn't feel like I had the capability to university. I just didn't feel like I had the capability. So anyway, I ended up in massage therapy school in 2005. And then that was sort of the the road.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I've, I've seen that a lot of people that almost have this intuitive healing capacity, that are a lot more in the in the tactile world, uh, get into massage therapy and then you are, you know, literally working through people's pain, right, it's whether that's through massage therapy or that's through different modalities that use the body, but you are literally, you know, manipulating their energetic field, right, and I've seen people that you know start sobbing, right, or that have this, these profound emotional releases that people have their stuff stored up, right, there's people that weren't touched as a child, right, that they weren't, they didn't feel their affection of their mother or their father, or they were, they were maybe isolated and cold, and and suddenly you have this release because they got an injury that somebody's physically touching them and they haven't experienced what that looks like and it just it's such a, it's such a beautiful practice, I think, to give somebody that gift, to say to, to get that intimate with somebody and be of service.

Speaker 1:

So I I'm just always interested on those tracks and then how people, on that almost um introduction to healing, start developing into other other flavors of the modality, if that makes sense yeah, exactly kind of was a gateway, yeah exactly like a gateway into feeling how people structure my, my, um, my cousin owns a hair salon and you know she was.

Speaker 1:

She was telling me how much um, so she's been doing constellations for years because the whole family's into it and you know she was. She went to to school for social work and she's a social work counselor but then went to beauty school and then, you know, has a salon and the salon is like a place of healing and self-care place of healing. I'm not entirely sure what to call it, but she talks about how much people open up when they're they're getting their hair done or you know they're going through, you know their their beautification process Right, and they're like they feel good about themselves and they're they're really opening up. But the kind of secondary side effect is how much people dump their trauma on you, Right, and it's like how do you in your work protect yourself or maintain a safe boundary with that? How you, how do you, how do you navigate that?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I mean, that's also been a very progressive, uh, learning experience. Um, I'd say, in massage therapy they kind of like briefly touch on that concept, but you're not really fully understanding it in the way that you, in the way that you should, in the way that you should, but like for many years cause I was a massage therapist for, I think, 13 years or something, and and I used to like it would be about like I would really want to like make sure that the client was happy, that I did a good job, that like I like, that I gave the deep tissue that I was, that I was, like you know, doing everything I could to make this person feel better. And I feel like I kind of over gave um with my treatments and I I even when I felt like, oh, like my elbow is hurting or my shoulders hurting or my back is hurting, I would still give as much as I could for each person.

Speaker 2:

Oof yeah type of um, that type of situation, like you end up kind of burning out because you don't. Not only are you taking on other people's energy, but then you don't have your own boundaries for your own energy, and so you typically a massage therapist really does burn out. They say the lifespan is actually eight years.

Speaker 2:

Really, um, really but literally when I, when I I was, I was um, I had been thinking like in my late 20s, early 30s, I was like, okay, I can't keep doing this at this pace. Like I can't, I don't want to be a massage therapist for the rest of my life. Like how can I incorporate something else into this already formed thing without losing what I've accomplished? But then, kind of like being able to give healing in a different way so that I'm not overextending myself so physically all the time, especially as I get older. Um, because I was obviously in my 20s when I was in school, so, um, so now as an osteopath, um, when I work, the work to like come through me rather than from me.

Speaker 1:

Ooh.

Speaker 2:

So, Okay.

Speaker 2:

That's my, you know, like I just allow it to come through. And so then I'm not taking on people's energy because a I'm not giving from, I'm not just giving from me, I'm giving from source. And then at the end of a treatment, I like kind of, or whatever, out of the equation during treatment and just like allow myself to be a conduit of, of and transmission of of the work, and then I feel like I can do this work without, without feeling so depleted and and um, not take on other people's energies yeah, yeah, I could imagine that you know if you're almost the lack of a better term but white knock, knuckling the trauma dough right of somebody's, you know that you're pulling from your reservoir like I gotta go to sleep, I gotta eat, I gotta be in the right headspace.

Speaker 1:

I've've got to not have a, you know, difficult conversation with somebody that I care about. That all you know like all that stuff is like if I'm not on that you're, you know if, and especially even if you're in your own head right While you're going through the process, would be almost an impossible thing to keep up for for period of time. So I definitely see how that could become a problem. But you know, that shift is such a cool shift to say it's not me, I'm just kind of this conduit of whatever life force thing that's infinite and abundant and has all the resources in the entire you know existence, then I'm a conduit for this thing and I can always tap into it, and then I just have to be mindful of um, cleaning those things up, and then you keep moving forward and you're, and you're able to have a, a sustained, successful career.

Speaker 1:

Um, how, how difficult was that transition to make? And like what? How did you make that choice? How did you say I can't hold this up very long, I've got to shift to something else. And then the realization of being able to do that. How did that come about?

Speaker 2:

Hmm, I think it came about just internally.

Speaker 2:

I just felt like I had reached the limits with massage therapy in terms of what I was, what I had accomplished.

Speaker 2:

Like I had my own clinic and I was working, you know, full time and everything was good and but I felt like I was, I was reaching a limited capacity within myself and and then and then with patients, and there was two routes I could have gone. I could have just kept my I have my, I do have my massage therapy license still, but I could have just stayed in massage therapy and then I could have done just a ton of continuing educational courses, going more deeply into cranial, sacral or visceral manipulation or nerve, uh, nervous system stuff. There was there's many routes in which I could have taken to kind of stay in the same, uh, registered body of massage therapy and but just expand my knowledge, Um, but for some reason that didn't feel like it was the answer. I felt like if I was gonna go and do all of those courses that I wanted, like I wanted like a paper at the end of it all, that makes sense.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, that makes that paper right there. Yeah, all the hard work right yeah, but then.

Speaker 2:

But then, but like you know, in hindsight the paper is just a paper. Nobody knows. That thing is even on the wall. And it wasn't until my dad came, like a few years later, after I had finished, and he's like I thought I framed those diplomas for you and I was like, yeah, you did. They're sitting up in the cupboard. He's like, well, you got to put it on the wall. And I'm in the cupboard he's like, well, you gotta put it on the wall. And I'm like, okay, fine, but like at the time, actually at the time when I started osteopathy, it actually it actually did. It was a driving factor. I wanted the paper.

Speaker 2:

And uh, I remember when I went to, uh, to an osteopath with tammy, actually she brought me to my first osteopathic appointment and she was having a treatment and I was sitting in the waiting room and I just saw this diploma of physio and diploma of osteo and this diploma and diploma of acupuncture, and this guy had all the diplomas up on the wall and I was like, oh, I want that, you know. And so that's kind of why I transitioned into the program instead of just going into continuation courses, like for massage therapy, because they're all like very relevant to massage. Osteopathy is just the natural progression to learn more deeper about structure and anatomy and physiology and treatment processes, and it's just a natural progression. So, yeah, I just remember opening that door on the first day and being like this is the first day of like the next seven years of my life.

Speaker 1:

Aye yi, yi, aye, aye, aye.

Speaker 2:

So that was a slog.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I would imagine that's a long time.

Speaker 2:

It was a long time To be able to do it.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

You know it seems like they go like I see this track that it's like you go more physical or you go more systemic. You know it's almost like you go into the emotions or you go more into the physicals, like understanding and massage therapy, how you can treat nerves and more intricate situations that the person is going through, or you can go is that, am I understanding that correctly? Or you can go more. The holistic view of saying this is probably, you know, the, the physical has a, has a pit, has a like, kind of like this is the end of our understanding and the spiritual is kind of super open and abundant and you know you can kind of go anywhere with that. Is that, is that? Are you noticing that? Is that how that track plays out, or is it? Or is it a bit different?

Speaker 2:

Uh, my own personal track. Yeah, my own personal track went from like, like you know, you can't get to it unless you go deeper and firmer and stronger and more physical, to now almost like to the point where well, actually to the point where now I can treat people at a distance, through energy, through intention.

Speaker 1:

So it's gotten that, it's gotten to like that type of finesse or fineness or and is it something that you like when you, when you do the work, that you tune into where somebody has their entanglement or they have the the, the pain, or they have that lesion that you can, almost, when you see somebody, that you can see where they're, where they're holding that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you can see it. You can see it as a pattern. Typically, I see it as a pattern. Um that yeah. So like there's, there's also, it's hard because there's also pattern and then when you remove that pattern, there's another pattern and then when you remove that pattern, there's another pattern.

Speaker 2:

Okay, that makes sense it kind of goes, it kind of gets deeper and deeper. Uh, so kind of, when you, when people come to me, usually the first treatment, sometimes the first treatment is extremely profound for some people, but other times it takes a couple of treatments to really get down to the root of this issue or whatever, or even just not even the root, but maybe just like a, a, a more, uh, a more, a layer. That's kind of like a little bit heftier part of the problem.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Cause sometimes the meat and potatoes of the lesian. Exactly, yeah. So it's like I see it as a pattern and I typically work like the session is like an hour right. So I see this pattern and then I work with the body to dissolve this pattern for today, this pattern for today, and, um, and I would kind of like look at it in terms of like a sheet or like a shirt, like like our our fascial sort of connective tissue, uh, or this form.

Speaker 2:

It's like if I pull my shirt, you can see that like like even up all the way to your shoulder. It gets right, like even up up here so like or, and then it starts pulling from over here and like, so you're kind of like fall. I anyway, this is my own version of it, but I kind of just unlock those that that pattern for that day oh, I see, yeah, and so when?

Speaker 2:

you know, if you were to come for a treatment and and I worked on you for that hour and then I released that pattern, and then you go off for the next month or two, whenever you decide to come back and like, in that time frame you, uh, you were shoveling snow and you you cranked your back, or like you had an argument with your father and then you, you annoyed your wife and she's upset at like, and then so all of these things are coming into your field and coming back into into your physical and then when you come here the next time, there's a whole other pattern because there's so many other things that have been added on top of on top, or you know, yeah, Like it's kind of like life.

Speaker 2:

right, it's like you roll that proverbial rock up the mountain only for it to roll back down again. Yeah, so we're constantly adding things to our field which reflect in our physical, and that can be tricky because there's a lot of things that we can't really see that's influencing our field and our energy system, which then reflects our physical system. So you know, like electromagnetic field, wi-fi signals, cell phones, all of these things that are interrupting and causing this kind of polluted field, chemicals in the air, whatever that is that you put on your body, food we eat, blah, blah, blah. The behavioral patterns, the emotional pattern, all of this is kind of like causing a distortion in your field. And so when a person comes for treatment, it's like, yeah, I saw you a month ago, but what happened in between that time, whereas, like now, I have to kind of reassess what's happening with you in this present moment.

Speaker 1:

now, and do you see that people I would imagine people get to talking during the process, right, and that they suddenly release something that they've never talked about, or that they're suddenly getting to some pretty deep layered stuff? Does that happen as well?

Speaker 2:

It definitely happens. And then, like you said, like with your own personal work, like with with constellations, it's like sometimes it happens after and between right, like sometimes, you know, some people are not at the point where they can let go on the table. I'm the type of person that can cry easily, so I can definitely let go as the treatment is happening in real time. But some people need like their own space, or they need to be at home or they need to have a few days to process the treatment and then and then they might have their emotional um release at that point. But for sure, people have um, they have emotional releases on the table or or or a lot of the times too, it's like right after the treatment, when they sit up and it's like oh, wow, there's a lot that's actually coming out right now, like coming like kind of welling up oh, wow, yeah, you see people that run marathons.

Speaker 1:

you know that they have these extreme. You know physical exertions that suddenly all the emotions come in, that were pent up, that that the body keeps the score of Right, that that were. You know we have everything pent up that we haven't processed, because our bodies are so intuitive and they're so intelligent that they protect us in so many, in so many ways so intelligent that they protect us in so many, in so many ways, yeah, and also the world doesn't allow us to really get that deep.

Speaker 2:

It always has us in a state of perpetual distraction, and so whenever we're distracted or we numb ourselves with distractions, then we don't really have, um, the capacity to like, feel and release and let go, because that's really happening in a, in a state of stillness, not in a state of scrolling or video streaming or partying or whatever you know yeah, the visual, visual junk food and dopamine, you know, assault on our, on our brains.

Speaker 1:

That is just really designed to keep us stuck.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Right? Is that like if I had to design a trauma activation machine? As much as benefit and social media has benefits but I would activate something that and I don't think it's like by design. I don't think that there's know some evil. You know council that sits around saying these are how we're going to manipulate these people. It's just they work because we don't understand trauma and systems and if you keep hitting this button, people are going to get activated and they'll engage more and the algorithms are built to for engagement. Right, it's like I want to. I want to get you the most outraged. And if you end up saying I'm going to clean my algorithm and I'm only going to look up Hope Core or slash puppy videos, slash cute cat videos, like you almost sanitize your algorithm and the more healing you do, the cleaner that algorithm gets, Does that make sense?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I mean, I've seen a shift in my own lifestyle for sure over over my course of healing. It's like my life is just simplified and simplified, and simplified, and cleaner, and cleaner, and cleaner. Um and and.

Speaker 1:

And like that's sort of been my life journey in terms of being able to process my trauma. You can show up. The more you can be present, the more you can, you know, just not carry stuff that doesn't belong to you. You know, that's why I'm so fascinated by this work, because you know we carry so much stuff that doesn't literally doesn't belong to us. It's like I didn't do this. This is from my lineage. It has nothing to do with me. Take it back. I don't want it, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, transmute it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly Exactly. And that's, you know, I do those exercises of you know, giving back the pain, and these exercises. I have these, you know, very specialized trauma balls that you can buy at five and below Sand, filled basically like little weights, and you say this is a trauma ball and then you put your ancestors behind you and you say in love, I took it, in love, I give it back and you physically give it back, right right and all it is is a.

Speaker 1:

It was like four dollars yeah little sand filled, uh, like medicine ball, you know, and and it has just this profound effect of people getting together, establishing, you know, service for each other that can do this profound healing work. You know, I spoke at an event yesterday and people are just starving for this stuff. You know, service for each other that can do this profound healing work. You know, I spoke at an event yesterday and people are just starving for this stuff. You know, they're they're ready and they're starving for healing and they're sick and tired of being sick and tired. You know, to use a cliche, and people just want to be present and want to heal and want to give back stuff, and they don't have the blueprint or the language to be able to do it. And present and want to heal and want to give back stuff, and they don't have the blueprint or the language to be able to do it.

Speaker 1:

And it's just such a powerful thing and and I I always go back to your guys' consolation it was just so beautiful. It was just so beautiful. It's like a sacred space and I was very emotionally moved by it, because I've been doing consolations for many years but I haven't seen a group that that takes such good care of each other and it was just. It was profoundly moving.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was a special. It was a special time in that moment in time in that place and everyone came from all over the world to show up for Tammy and and no one really knew what to expect. And you held the space with you and your mom and it was so beautifully done and, like intuitively, you had such a great presence and you knew exactly how to um, how to allow people to let go. Even you know, even even the ones that had a harder time, you were like, oh okay, well, this might not work with this person, so we'll do it more like that. And it was really cool to watch you and your mom facilitate. And it was interesting to see how, with the group because I didn't know all of them either, I knew some of them, but when you, I don't know we all just came together and like we processed each other's trauma and like, even though it wasn't your own trauma, you were still crying for their trauma and like you were still processing. You were processing trauma that wasn't yours but could have been yours in another lifetime or or it could have, could have been in a in a way affecting you. You didn't know.

Speaker 2:

So it it was really a cool thing to go through and then, after doing so many years of therapy and my own personal growth, like you brought this element to the session that I'd never like, an aspect of the healing that I'd never seen before. Like you know, when you I was kind of like going into it and I was like, oh, what am I going to rehash today, cause you know, you got to come up with your thing. And I'm like man, what am I going to do this again? Like I'm going to go through this story again. And but then you, you shone a light light on it, on it in a totally different way, which I was kind of like wow, was that the like missing link? Was that like the last thing I needed to hear?

Speaker 1:

yeah, yeah and, and you know, I feel, um, like that, I can't take any credit for it. You know, it's like it kind of very similar to to what we, what we about now. Right, it's like I can't. I can't take any credit for it. I'm just there, as then it sounds so ridiculous to say and I'm almost embarrassed to say, but like a vessel, like you know kind of situation, that you're there in service to the process and it's like I brought just that factor to it. That's it Like I literally was the person that brought that ability there.

Speaker 1:

And it was like you guys did the work. It's just so beautiful and that's why I'm such a fan of it that you can just and I, I like people, say thank you and I'm like I don't thank me for anything. You guys didn't work, you guys did the hard, hard work, and I just have to shut up and be there and just be like okay, and it just kind of kind of works. And it's just um, and when I see that and I see people show up for each other in that way and in in such grace, and because I don't know how else to define it, but like divine grace, is what the word that keep, that kept coming up for me when, when you guys were working, it was like it was. It was really truly beautiful.

Speaker 1:

It was so touching, it was so moving, yeah yeah, yeah, it was a good time, yeah yeah, I was really excited about, um, you know, getting your guys's thoughts afterwards about what, uh, what had come up for me, especially from your perspective, because you are, you know, in this world of of working with people and and really getting into people's, you know, into the nitty-gritty and and and very operational for lack of a better term right of how people operate on their bodies is to say, like how this complements something like that, because I'm I'm always about, um, you know, almost compounding modalities.

Speaker 1:

Right, there's people that do family constellations with horses, there's people that do family constellations with horses, there's people that do family constellations with systems and there's some called structural constellations that are, that are, they're almost like algebra, it's like with little figurines, and they're very algebraic. And then I was like, oh well, this would be really interesting and I was kind of thinking about this like somebody that does work with the body, to be able to process through this and understand, from your perspective after doing the work, what that would, how would that would show up in your work as well, and I'm I was just really fascinated about how, how, your perspective on it yeah and um and yeah.

Speaker 2:

I wonder if there's some kind of way to enmesh the two. Do you ever hold constellation practices or circles with body work?

Speaker 1:

We've done. Are you familiar with breath work? You know people that do the, the, the breath work yeah a lot of people do they'll compound. They'll not compound, but they'll combine um breath work with family constellations, and so that's like it really gets you into your body like the breath work just really really gets you. You know like it's like a workout. You're like geez man.

Speaker 1:

I didn't know I had to work so hard to do this, but you know just like there's such a cathartic process to do that and then you open up with that and then you do into constellations yeah, so I've always been like, how do you, how do you do like, or you know, some people are doing ecstatic dance and then constellations and then just any way where you can just really get present and I think physical work does that, like physical touch does that to say you're here, you're now, we're not going anywhere.

Speaker 1:

You can't scroll on your phone, you can't escape, you can't cut into your mind, you literally are feeling the pain go through your body and then to have that, that release like hey, you, hey, you know, when you're, because the, the, the body also has systemic sides, right. So the left side is mom, the right side is dad and all of these. You know, over the years people have correlated constellations with different parts of the body. You know, there's parts of the bodies that are that are related to the siblings. It's like, oh, how's your, you know, how's your relationship with your sister, or how's your relationship with one of your siblings, because this pain that may be in your arm is coming from that side. So you can combine.

Speaker 2:

I would see kind of in the future where you can combine the two and ask those systemic questions through it and they could even say something that you're doing, almost a you knowo consolation, you know yeah yeah, I mean I think there are like there definitely are practitioners that do more like somatic body work, so they they're like giving cues and prompting certain like reflections, that kind of like help you to facilitate the release on the table too. Yeah, I sometimes do that, but I'm not at the level I mean I've never done somatic therapy, like I've never learned it for one. Sometimes I have intuitive impulses that lead me to ask or prompt a certain question. Um, or I'll say, or I'll see something like typically, you know, with when a client comes and they have to fill out this long questionnaire and health history or whatever, and then you know, let's say you're in your 40s or 50s or 60s and you don't really remember half the stuff on this form anyways.

Speaker 1:

Right you don't remember.

Speaker 2:

There's so many people like they forget about the injuries they've had or the experiences they've had, and then I'll immediately be drawn to one area in their body and then I'll have my hands on it and they'll be like oh, they'll sit up. Oh, I forgot to tell you that two years ago I fell off a horse and broke my foot or something and I'm like but why, you didn't remember that?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but they they start remembering as I go through the body and start touching different areas. Then they start remembering oh yeah, there was this thing that caused this thing that you know, that is in relation, and they're like, they're surprised that I find this area in them right away. They're like, oh, why did you go there right away? And I'm like it's well, it's because it's telling me right here that this is like. You know, this is not, uh, this is not expressing life force. It has no vitality. It's just like this is like a dead board.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's why I went there yeah, that makes that makes all the sense in the world that you have. You know, people sit in the chairs like, so what would you like to work on? They're like nothing and you're like okay. And you know they're like, oh so did anything happen? And they're like no, well, I was hit by a truck when I was five and you're like, you know, you, you just have this like huge revelation that people minimize, protect, you know, whatever that thing is that that just extraordinarily difficult. And he's like I came. You know I had this very traumatic experience when I was a child that they just walked off and protected themselves of.

Speaker 1:

And you, almost in like in constellations, you can bring in what happened that is not revealed. You can bring in that aspect like the thing that's not revealed in the system, and you can bring it in as a representation. And then suddenly it would be like between mom and dad and it's like this thing that's happening and they'll, you know, figure eight through mom and dad and be like the issues here. We don't know what it is, but there's something here that's telling you is very similar to the really reminded me of, of that work. I think, and that's what I mean, it all meets in the middle, right, it all is you're, you're intuitively connecting to your, to that part of you. They're like, hey, what happened here? There's something, there's a, you have an injury, that something happens. Like, oh yeah, you know I had a, you know I lost a child. It's like, oh, wow, okay, yeah, there's, there's something here that you're, that you're working through, that you, that you really have I. I think it's fascinating to add just these really cool combinations to each one of these modalities.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and you can go into like, yeah, there's like different layers of behavioral or like value or morals or things that are, you know, like like when you're not living in alignment with your authentic self.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Uh, it's, there's like a lot of distortion in your field and in your body and in your physical body. So sometimes it's emotions, but sometimes it's belief systems, or you not living in accordance with your true nature, or you're not living in accordance with your like. Oh, it's like you have these beliefs and these values, but then you go and you do the opposite, and then that type of thing also can misalign structure yeah, that makes whole sense that there's internal conflict.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, right that that internal conflict will manifest in one way or another. To say, yeah, there's something, there's something odd here, and you know you right that that internal conflict will manifest in one way or another. To say yeah, there's something, there's something odd here, and you know you can that that can also be brought up as as where does the system need to be in alignment? It's like how, what, what are the things that I need to be here so they can get in alignment?

Speaker 2:

yeah, you know an expression of health. Yeah, I mean, osteopathy is all about that. It's just about how can we bring you back into alignment, because when you're in alignment, you are a clear channel for health. You're you're a clear interface to the, the breath of life or the life force, energy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

When you're in alignment, you're interfacing clearly with that energy, and then you have expression of health.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think that's a that's a great place to to land the plane. Hopefully we can have you back soon. This has been very, very, very interesting. I'm I'm fascinated about this world and how you know, how you help people really and and what this looks like, because I've always, you know, I've always been in the constellation esoteric kind of world right, and not necessarily as much as in the physical, in the physical world. So it's thank you so much for, for for coming on and and being such a great guest and keep doing the work that you're doing. It's it's very, very much needed.

Speaker 2:

So thank you very much for coming.

Speaker 1:

If people wanted to get ahold of you, how do you? How do they do that?

Speaker 2:

The best way, I guess, is through my website, which is CandiceNezrellacom, and I also have instagram. Uh, it's like candice nazarela osteopathy, nice, uh, but yeah, basically online is uh through my website. And then you can also um people that are not in toronto. They can have distance energy treatments and book online through there as well.

Speaker 1:

Okay, okay, and, candice, by the way, if you're in Toronto, how far of a drive is Toronto from Chicago? Is that five hours?

Speaker 2:

I guess. So Five hours, right, yeah, maybe yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we're doing Constellation in Chicago as well, so you're always invited, All right Well maybe I'll see you in Scottsdale.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all right. Well, maybe I'll see you in.

Speaker 1:

Scottsdale yeah, hopefully in Scottsdale, that would be great.

Speaker 2:

Okay, cool.

Speaker 1:

It was great having you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 1:

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