ZuluOne: Heal the Wounds You Didn't Know You Carried
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ZuluOne: Heal the Wounds You Didn't Know You Carried
How To Heal Generational Trauma Mother | Macha & Michelle | EP 13
In this episode of the Zulu One podcast, I sit down with Michelle Blechner and her daughter Macha Einbender, two incredible Family Constellations facilitators who embody what it means to heal across generations.
Born in France, Michelle spent 30 years in New York before moving to Miami. With a psychology background and marketing experience, she has become a spiritual leader, life counselor, and founder of the Family Constellations Institute of Miami. Deeply connected to Abraham Hicks teachings for over 30 years, Michelle blends her understanding of Universal Laws with her U.R.I.M. coaching method to help people transform their lives.
Macha brings her own unique gifts as a skilled Family Constellations Facilitator, guiding individuals to uncover hidden family dynamics and create resolution. Her innovative methods allow clients to gain deeper insight into relationships and systemic patterns, offering profound clarity and healing. Together, Michelle and Macha show how constellations can be both legacy and practice balancing trauma and talent, and transforming families for generations to come.
This is a conversation about resilience, healing, and the power of family. If you’ve ever wondered how trauma passes through lineages, and how we can find balance by facing it, this episode will move you deeply.
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you know we've been, we've been talking about in in constellations my, my first facilitator that was, that was teaching us constellations, and this came up recently is that you know, one of the most profound but also potentially difficult relationship is the mother daughter relationship. So tell me a little bit. And you know the fact that and, michelle, this is something that you taught me right is that when, when a woman is pregnant, there's three generations that are carried there because the baby already has, you know, their, their eggs that they're going to have for the rest of their life. So there's three generations already living in one body. So if you can tell me a little bit about your guys' experience, especially you know, being both facilitators and being in constellations how that's affected.
Speaker 2:So I guess I start because I'm the older one, you know.
Speaker 2:You're the mom we got broke with position here. So, yes, it certainly influences tremendously, especially because, you know, everyone has a crazy system. It's not the appanage of you know the best, but let's say that because when I was in my mother's embryo of five months in the womb of my grandmother, we were in actually 1922, because my mother was born in 1923. You see, born in 1923. You see, so my mother egg absolutely had influenced me. So it goes even further and deeper, you see, because the egg that is in my mother's embryo, in my grandmother's embryo, in my grandmother's womb, is already influenced by World War I. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Therefore, marsha that comes after has a little bit of an imprint as well, you see. Yeah. And of course this continues along the road. So now we're talking about a hundred year plus. Yeah, you see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, three generations is about a hundred years. Yeah, so you do have.
Speaker 2:Well, actually it's three generations, but it's four. Yeah. Because, at the time, my grandmother was a young woman, she was 20. Not even she was 19, because she had my mother when she was 20 years old. Wow, you see, Wow. You see, so we're talking about a long line of traumas and talents.
Speaker 1:Long line of traumas and talents.
Speaker 2:It's not just the deficit, it's also the assets that that gives you. You see, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so you know, we've been, we've gone, we've done three podcasts. This is the third podcast that you and I have done, michelle, so if you can just give, there was many conversations. Yeah, and there's many, many conversations over 12 years, 13, 14 years we're running on. You know we're longtime friends but you know, if you can tell people just a little bit about your story and if they want to hear that kind of the deeper dive into that story, I think it's it's important for the context of this conversation.
Speaker 2:Yes, I, I mean it's not necessary that I go in the entire story because I mean it was related. It was related when we did podcasts together. But I think it's interesting to say that we did not encounter by chance, of course, but you did come to my constellation life at a very, very early point because I only had one constellation and it was not me facilitating when I met you, because Marsha had told me about this young woman that was doing constellation work. I had come to a group that she had formed because she was so excited by the experience and everything else and she knew I would love it. Of course, because, because we had the history, you know, Marsha has been part of my spiritual journey since very early childhood because I took her everywhere, you know.
Speaker 2:You know what she likes basically basically, and so I, um, I had done this constellation in new york and, of course, immediately I knew that this was for me and I look at possibilities. And I found out that it was a facilitator mark wallen that was that was coming to Miami the month after the Earth's constellation. And this is where I went and I remember, I remember vividly because at one time when I thought I was rewriting a book which I left that behind, somebody's doing it for me. But I remember that the first representation that I did was your father, when he was leaving Cuba.
Speaker 2:And I remember saying the first sign on my book was saying like I have left Cuba with the taste of cigar in my mouth.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, venezuela, my dad's from Venezuela. But yes, venezuela, venezuela. I apologize.
Speaker 2:I, you know same shit yeah.
Speaker 1:Very similar stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, similar stories and similar trauma and this is where not only we met but our soul connected because the same really challenges that your family had in Venezuela, my family had it in France, occupied France, I mean, you know, in France occupied by the Nazi, and even in World War I. You know, europe has always been really the stage of war. Yeah. Eastern Europe, western Europe, I mean, and it still continues. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Eastern Europe, western Europe, I mean, and it still continues. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:With Middle East and everything else. So in a way, we all here and I'm sure that all included have been kind of marked by all those traumas and also the success story, because here we are. Here we are not only, you know, working on healing ours, but being a bridge for others to do the same. Yeah. So what is it? Is it a detriment or is it an asset? I mean, our friend Tony Robbins said life happened for you, not to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it can be D all of the above right. Exactly that's what life is right. Be D all the above Right, exactly that's what life is Right. It's all the above. You can say, you can take all of it Right and just be grateful for the fact that we're here and there are these lessons that we need to learn, and you know.
Speaker 2:And it's the best attitude. Yeah. Because it's the attitude of resilience rather than resistance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's that from from victim to victor right, exactly, yeah yeah so, masha, having you know which is one of the coolest things that I've got get to witness, right, that I've seen. I've known you guys for a really long time and I've seen, you know michelle, your granddaughter, being in constellations and you know repeating the healing pattern of masha when she was a little kid running around and doing all these healing modalities and Charlie, you know your husband, michelle, and your dad, masha, and just like seeing that, really the healing through generations that you get to witness as a bystander and a friend of the family, just like how these things have gone through the family and all these generations doing this stuff. And I've just I'm I'm so happy about seeing enough because our families are similar, right, you guys know my mom and my sister and my. You've met my dad and you know the where the traumas came from and that all the gender and you. You know my kids, you've met my kids and you know just seeing those multi-generational families going through healing, rather than repeating these stories.
Speaker 1:So, masha, how did that? You know, like, growing up, what was that like to be in a family that was healing? Because I'm always asked the question like, is it too much, is it too early? And then it's like do they get access? Like what was that like growing up to doing that?
Speaker 4:I think that for me it was great because I was very interested in it from a very early age. So it's where I felt the most comfortable and in the healing spaces, in the rooms with Abraham Hicks people and I felt like I had like these two lives where one where I had to be normal and the other where I got to be authentic and be with people that understood and that I could say whatever I wanted to say around, as long as it was positive and it was very interesting and it felt. I feel bad for other people who didn't have that growing up, because it's hard to grow up. It's hard, you know all of the different stages of growth. So it's definitely an attribute or an asset to have family members that have this desire for healing, for growth, for evolution, for transformation, as opposed to silence and whatever else other people do. I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 4:So but going to what you were saying about how, you know, my mom was in the embryo, in her, in her great, in her grandmother's womb, and we, you know, we carry these stories, these traumas. It's such a good marketing thing for family constellations because not only do you have to deal with the traumas of every day from the day that you were born, but you have a lot of shit that you have to heal from being this.
Speaker 4:you know, seed and absorbing things that are not existing today, but wars and famine and whatever it is. So I encourage everybody to seek family consolation, because you may think you're doing well, but you're not. You're not doing as well as you could be. So it is a very fortunate thing that I got to experience how to heal myself, how to speak my self-talk and how to express my desires in a way that was in alignment with universal law from a young age, so I'm very grateful for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Michelle you've been doing involved with the Abraham Hicks for years, right. I mean, that's been something that you guys have shared for a long time, was that? Was that? So let me ask you this question Was that kind of your guys' thing Was like, were you guys connected? Like Tony and I, my son, go to go to Circle of Brotherhood on Tuesdays and it's just like that's just me and him, right, that's something that him and I do together? Was that was kind of the healing space, a place where you guys connected, like where you guys had that in common, like where you guys had that in common.
Speaker 4:Well, I'll say this is that I definitely, yes, that was definitely something that I had a common interest with my mom, because we would go to these workshops and we, you know, from a young age and I would go and I would feel very special being in this small room of of people who were were devoted to Abraham Hicks and at the time the rooms were very small. There'd be like 20 to 30 people in the room. I was always the youngest, so that was very exciting and it was very fun. I got a lot of attention, which I like, and my mom and I we used to listen to cassettes. Okay.
Speaker 4:We used to get the Abraham Hicks cassettes and listen to that in the car and it was definitely something that was forming. She would say to me when I was upset about whatever it is what do you want? What do you want? Masha, tell me what you want and you know we can transform it. And are you allowing? Right now, I don't think so. Are you resisting? I don't think so. I think so. So that was definitely something that we had in common. The Abraham language of attraction what are you attracting?
Speaker 1:What are you? What are you? A champion, what are you? That's? That's that's such a powerful, powerful insight in like a common language. And michelle, what did like from the you know, I would imagine, masha, you were a kid, right, you were? How old were you?
Speaker 4:I think you started nine years old, maybe nine ten so almost a nine-year-old seeing things.
Speaker 1:What was, what was that nine-year-old seeing things? What was that nine-year-old's brain looking at healing from a new perspective, or almost using it as a core, fundamental language for growing up that way? What was that like?
Speaker 2:You see, you have to understand that, first of all, I grew up with a mother that was a witch. She was a good witch and sometimes a bad witch, but she was a witch. She was a good wish and sometimes a bad witch, but she was a witch. She had an incredible intuition. She could see someone and say, oh my god, this, this guy is not gonna make it long. And then you would hear that the guy died yesterday. You know.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, and I was, oh my God, you know, she was like very, very weird, okay. So from a very young age I was used to astrology to see, and she would read the hourglass. She would read, you know, the coffee, what do you call it?
Speaker 2:Grounds yeah, the coffee beans. My grandmother had taught her how to read the tea leaves, all the kind of things you know so already. It was not her mother, her mother-in-law. She was very special, very intuitive. I think the first time I saw a psychic I must have been 10. Wow, every time they were telling me my life and everything else because I would go with her you see, oh wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so for me it was like a kind of natural thing. And Masha, from a very young age I knew she was someone very special. She was also even older than mine, you know. She was very connected. She was here in a way to be a teacher of mine, you know, and it revealed to be true because you know, like she say, she's the one that introduced me to Constellation. So we were like teacher, student to each other.
Speaker 2:But it's not always easy, you see, because I was also a very busy woman, because I always worked. Ok, from very early age, I always worked very much, and so I was not as present as a mother, in a mother role, maybe sometimes too much of a teacher, not enough of a mother. And also, the interesting thing is that my mother, who was the mother, but the mother that can smother you, which she did with me, she was a great grandmother for Masa, but she would also criticize me to her. So it was like a very, I will say, we were thriving in very thin ice in the relationship. It was not an usual relationship of a mother and daughter. Okay, we, you know, we loved each other and I know that she knew that I was there always, but I also left her very independent because my mother smothered me and I had to escape really. So it's a lot of different connotation, but we kind of worked parallelly in a great way because the result is um result is pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the result is is amazing.
Speaker 4:Can I say something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4:I think that the um, the like the education that we both got. So my mom had, you know, she started. She had this mother who was very witchy and intuitive. She started at 10. Um, I did, you know, went with my mom and did all these things at 10. But our educations were very different because my grandmother was more of that witch but she wasn't very kind and she wasn't very spiritual or you know, she didn't. I never saw her do anything like meditating or anything like that. I remember when my mother used to was started to get into meditation and breath work, she used to make fun of her because my mom, they used to get into these fights and my mom would go into this, start breathing and my grandmother used to mimic her but you know, like make fun of her for breathing. So it was definitely very confusing for me because the spirituality of all of that. I think I started to understand that there were different forms of spirituality and the what you call the occult right, the Eastern medicine, all of the woohoo things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the alternative side yeah.
Speaker 4:The alternative things, but the education that I got from my mom and what we were seeking was more peace-related, manifesting your desires, speaking in a way that was loving, positive self-talk. So I think that I definitely saw that there were two sides of this spiritual world, and the world that my grandmother had was one like. I'm not into tarot at all at all, I'm not into psychics at all, so there's very different. You know, I definitely got a different sense of what my mother was talking about. You know, it was like a buffet that I was like no, I'm going to not pick from that buffet right there.
Speaker 2:But it's interesting because we both, in a different way, had to get out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know what we go back to the benefit and the deficit. I think it was a benefit because now we know the difference, you see. Yeah, you see, because some people are very often disturbed when they're very spiritual and only ways in that pure positive and everything else energy, you know, then they get very easily disturbed. Or the opposite is also good, you know, then they get very easily disturbed, or the opposite is also good, also true. So I think that in a way, my mother served me by showing me the side. That is not what I embraced. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it served Masha as well. To see the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 1:As you guys are talking, the image that comes into my mind is this pendulum that swings from one side to the other through the generations and I think the work that we do is to make the swinging less pronounced, instead of going from one side to the other.
Speaker 1:And that's what trauma does is like you know you completely reject or you completely repeat the pattern and the pendulum does these big swings that you know in your guys' system.
Speaker 1:It's like the pendulum just going, you know, like, from one side to the other and then you start getting this balance and you find you know the center and I would imagine you know your kids, m Masha, are very grounded and very centered and very intuitive and probably have this right sizing with their spiritual side as much as you know the human side, right, and I love how you put that. It's like you know I could talk and be normal, right, and it's like I could talk about kind of the spiritual side and then talk about it because I've experienced, experienced the same thing, my, my whole life. That is like, oh, when we get together and we start talking about spiritual things, people are like you, people are crazy, right, and you know right, doing constellations. You're telling people and people like, oh, you're in a cult and you're, you guys are weirdos. And now it's like you can really integrate both conversations and show up as the full self right, rather than that split between.
Speaker 2:Yes, and to be nonjudgmental, you have to know what judgment is To be not cynical, you have to know what cynicism To be you know to be fearless. You have to know fear. Yeah. It's an education.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and and have that kind of balance and right sizing of all of those emotions. You know, and, and and what you're saying, michelle, about trauma and talent is is so is so appropriate. You know, and and now I know you guys are shifting gears a little bit. I know you guys are working together, you know, and, and bringing this, this modality, to the world. How's that dynamic been? And is this like a magnum opus of your guys' work? That you guys are working together and presenting Family Constellations to the world? How's that dynamic been?
Speaker 4:So with work, I feel like I've always worked with my mom since I started working. We've had different businesses together, and so I learn a lot from her, because she is like the ultimate business woman.
Speaker 4:You know she really is such an amazing business woman and so it comes through in anything that she does and so I learned so much from her from that, obviously, like this is definitely more fun. I get to travel, I get to do go to all these different places and meet very interesting people, so this is my favorite business that we've had so far. So Knuckles like that a lot she is. I think that our working relationship is great because we have a good relationship outside of work. It definitely blends into the two because we're always talking and we're always discussing this basically for the most part, and so it does work really well. I do a lot of things in an assistant's role for my mom, so I am the best assistant that she's ever had in her entire life and nobody could ever take my place. So don't even think about it.
Speaker 4:Makes sense, she's made it very clear that I am her number one assistant, so I know what she likes to eat, I know what, most importantly, I know what she does not like to eat, so that because she's a picky eater, I mean like a, like a toddler, really. It's a fun fact about Michelle and, um, I know, like, what her different deeds are and her expectations, and she has very high expectations for for work and and work ethics and integrity and all of that. So I, I, I love it. It's great, we have a lot of fun, we laugh a lot and um, and I learn a lot, so it so it's a win-win.
Speaker 2:And, if I can add, I think it's the perfect situation because, look, I'm not going to do that for that long, because I think already I have, you know, my longevity is already great. So how long am I going to be here? But so it will be a legacy for Marsha, I think, because she will be able to really get into the shoes, naturally, and at this time, because she's still a very she's a very good mother. She's much better mother than I was, in that sense of mothering, you know, and she's very close to her children, with the work, with the gate, with the everything. She's very attentive. Okay, I did not have this leisure, but even if I had, I have to be honest, I don't know if I would have had the talent for that.
Speaker 4:So she did not get that from me.
Speaker 2:She did not get that from me. She was fortunate to have, incredibly, and you knew him very doting father. He was a father, he was a grandfather, he was even, I would say, a sibling. For her, he was everything. It's true, isn't?
Speaker 4:it. Yes, he was like my ultimate companion, you know, because my mom would work and travel and he would. He would take me places and he would take me where I needed to go, and and he was very, he was very nurturing too, you know, he he had, he had a very nurturing side to him exactly, and you know I I work in retail for years, so it was saturday, sundays.
Speaker 2:Whatever he will take her to the park, he would do all the things that I was not able to do and I would not have been gone. I would not have been good to do it either.
Speaker 2:Okay, was not my thing so I think it's good because she at this stage of her life, she's still very busy with her children. Okay, they're not in college yet, so this will change when she. So it gives her the opportunity to do her own work and actually, even when they were younger, she did. She did work without me, when you were working with Gabby, for example, or things like that. She has clients. She works on her own, but not as much as I do, because for me, what else do I have to do? Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:This is my main. It's not just my main occupation, it's my main entertainment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:So I think it's a good balance because it gives her the opportunity not to have to work constantly, to be non in the field. She's always part of the field, but she does it at her leisure. And me I'm part of the field constantly because I sleep and eat and on it. You live in the field, I live in a home, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that statement, that's such a powerful statement. It's like please bless me if I choose to do it differently which is just like such a beautiful manifestation of that right Is that you know, in some way and I don't want to speak for you, masha, but you're doing it your way right? That you know, and it's when the timing's right and the stuff and it goes in different phases of life. It's just such a powerful thing to see that. You know, like they say in AA meetings or Al-Anon keep working, because it works.
Speaker 1:If you work it, you know, kind of that thing is like this the work that we're doing and the dynamics that we show is the evidence that this stuff works right. That healing, dealing with trauma, that dealing, taking those talents and taking those gifts and the trauma and acknowledging all of it and giving all of it in space that it actually works Right. And you know so many people talk about, um, you know, working in a, in a family, right, it's like working with your family. So I work with my sister and my mom and the the one of the biggest evidence.
Speaker 1:You know that one of the biggest pieces of evidence that you can show is that it works when you work with your family and when you've dealt with the crap and when you've dealt with the mountain of stuff that you guys can work together. Right, that it's not. You know cats and dogs going, you know you guys. Did you guys ever see American choppers? You know the, the sons that would build the motorcycles, and they're like throwing chairs at each other. Yeah, you know, it's all the motorcycles and they're like throwing chairs at each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all reality show and they, you know, they can't stand each other and it's, you know, it's a family and they're, you know, super dysfunctional. And this is harmony. What harmony looks like? That everybody's in their place and everybody has their time and everybody has their space to do the things and support in the way that they do it. So it's just, it's really is a testament to how well this stuff works.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, and also like the intention, like my intention you know this, john, because it's what I intend for you as well is that for all the facilitators, for everybody who does this work, for that it becomes so mainstream that it's like okay, so what are you doing this weekend? Oh, I'm going to Family Constellation, obviously. Or for it to become like so ingrained in everybody's life. So that's really my dominant intention right now. So it's, you know, everything that I could do with social media, with responding to emails and just making sure that my mom, you, john, everyone who is doing this work actively, that people know about you, is doing this work actively, that people know about you, and that it becomes like a common, mainstream language, like so that to get to the point where you don't have to say to somebody like you know, do family consultation, have you heard of it? People like will say right away like, of course I have, oh, my God, and know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:You know I'm so grateful for you guys because you know, in some ways you guys built the path for this right and Michelle and you, you know for how many years did you know, constellation after constellation after constellation in your apartment in Miami and so many flowers came from and so many different kind of people blossomed from that ecosystem. And I just want to say how grateful I am to both of you guys because you guys both had this huge part of, in your own way, supporting this ecosystem and popularizing the work right and, saying, really hitting the main stage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are in together. So are you, because, you see, with your podcast, with your constellation work and everything else on top of your own career, because this is not your main career and this is one thing that we really have in common, among many things, is that we have been here to spread the word in any way or form that we can, and this is where universal laws and all that we have learned, with the like of Wendayer and Deepak Chopra and Eckhart Tolle besides Abraham and everything else, all the teachers is that when we set up intentions, when we stay on the line of choosing where we like to go, of choosing knowing that life is a smuggler's board, that we are creators, that we can do, then things happen. Okay, things happen, and they happen to the will, they happen to the heart, they happen to the mind. Everything is playing a part, you see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, like you, you know this has happened to me a lot lately and it's because I'm in the right space, healing, and I've done the work and I've done the stuff that that's happened. It's like things just happen easily. It's the weirdest thing in the world. You know, you some I've, I've been somebody that sent, you know, many of my the articles that I write. I sent them to a lot of people and then suddenly, suddenly, I did some work and some people in my family did the work, and then it's like I sent one email and I got to the person that I wanted to get to and immediately everything worked out. And it's like this is like magic. It was like, well, you weren't ready. There was a pebble in the system that was holding the gears together, dam talking to, like you know, extraordinarily influential people around the globe. How, how did that process work for you guys? How did that? Was that like a timing thing? Was it something that you guys had been working on? How did how did that process work?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I can talk about that, because every day I do intentions. Okay. I do intentions, okay, I mean the way I coach actually is, that is, pillars, you know, and building or rebuilding the foundation. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Meditation, connection, appreciation and intentions. Okay, and my intentions every day is to spread the word, to spread the word for this work, to spread the word, you know, I mean I really since day one, and this is what I really teach, and I know Marsha does the same. Teach the people that have a desire, that have an intention, but they don't really know how to navigate the ropes. Okay, but the ropes are very simple, you know, you choose, you choose, we have choices. And it's funny because a lot of people then the universe works its own way. A lot of people then the universe works its own way. One of my intentions is every day to say I choose to drive my life because the universe is my co-pilot.
Speaker 2:So the universe is my GPS. I never say I choose to be invited by Tony Robbins, for example, yeah, but I always say and I always visualize myself being called by somebody important. In my head it would have been Oprah, which I had kind of connection but, I, was not the one to go for it.
Speaker 2:It would have had to come. So it's very interesting because a lot of people say to me how did you get to go there? And my answer is always through the heart. And you know why it makes a lot of sense? Because actually the person that introduced me to them is a cardiologist. So it's really to the heart. And, interestingly enough, the last time I was in Miami I had lunch with this person and I told the story you know about Alice and Michelle Remember that you had to unblock your heart before it happened because I had, you know, blocked arteries. And I and I say, yeah, I did not think about that you know.
Speaker 4:actually this is like the anniversary of your heart surgery. Really yeah. Remember you were in recovery. I think it was around this time. You were in the hospital on my birthday and my birthday is tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yes, three years ago. Yeah, three years ago.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, and how much things have changed in the last three years, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know you cannot make up this stuff. You know, no, and you know you cannot make up this stuff, you know. This is the way you know it works because the intentions is there and you reinforce it. So you know, and it's a job Hi.
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Speaker 2:It's a job, so it's why a lot of people don't. And actually those intentions, you know that were channeled to me 15 years ago. How many times did I or Masha send it to people and then they don't have it, they don't know where it is? Masha had the actually it was Remy. She had the idea of making pictures, didn't? She Wasn't?
Speaker 4:it Remy, it might have been William, Maybe William Remy or William Somebody.
Speaker 2:The two Somebody said to do so. Masha has been putting on Instagram. Okay, those illustrated 44 intentions.
Speaker 4:John knows, because I tag him every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're great, they're outstanding.
Speaker 2:Isn't it the second time around with different images? You know, yeah, because images work better. You know, imagination. Language is so important. Language is so important and I like to say something that I heard very recently. Okay, very recently, I heard someone the scientifically proven thing of the two first organs that were formed in the fetus Okay, in the fetus, the two first organs and everybody can guess who is the first one is the heart. What do you think is the second one?
Speaker 1:I know the answer, so I'll let john um, I'm gonna guess let's see um the eyes, no.
Speaker 2:It's the tongue.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Because first there is a vibration, then there is a sound and then there is the word lingus lengua in Spanish, long in French. Okay, and that tongue, which means when the tongues pick from the heart. Wow, Beautiful, isn't it?
Speaker 1:I love that. That's amazing. Yeah, I love that. I didn't know that the tongue I did not either.
Speaker 2:I heard it. What? Three months ago, something like that, a couple of months ago? Did we ever fact check that? No, no, no. Ago, something like that a couple of months ago, did we ever fact check that? No, no, no. Yeah, it was scientifically proven, okay.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow. That's very powerful to think about that connection between what we speak into existence and the heart.
Speaker 2:And you know how focused I am on language.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, very focused. Yeah, language, yeah, yeah, very focused.
Speaker 2:Yeah, language is essential.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And you know, one of the things that you say and I always repeat this is responsibility, right, that ability to respond. You know it's like that's what responsibility at the core is. Is that having that ability to respond. And you know what a gift to have this conversation with your mom, masha, the day before your birthday, right, it's like what was happening. You know what was happening all those years ago, right, when the day before you're getting ready to give birth is, you know, and having this conversation right now, I think, is such a beautiful thing and such a testament that we're on the right track and having yeah, beautiful thing and such a testament that we're on the right track and having yeah, yeah
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, yeah, the gift, yeah, that I had. I mean it was not easy. Okay, because I remember that that day before, okay, when I really start having the labor pain. And then I had 12 hours of labor and I ended up with a C-section. As we know, in constellation, a C-section is a trauma for the baby. So, you know, it's because it creates a break in the bond and you have to recreate, you have to reconnect, you have to reconnect?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you see it very often. When the delivery is difficult, when the pregnancy is challenging, when there is any kind of you know, you stay long in the hospital. Yeah. I could not breastfeed because my milk was not good, you know. So it's a lot of things that play that you have to overcome then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that first, that constellation where you and I met, you know, with Mark Mark was doing a lot of early disconnection work with the mother. Do you remember that it was? The work was so powerful it'd be like you know what was? You know, the constellation would come up and like what was your birth? Like you know it's like, oh my, you know, my mom got really, really sick after, after the the birth, and it was just about people taking a step towards their mother and just doing like a very quiet, no talking movement of just connecting with, with the mother right and the representative of the mother. It was just, it was so beautiful of, of having of of doing that work.
Speaker 2:I'm just, you know all this work is is born and then the mother is very soon pregnant with a second child so it's not available to the baby that is going up, or you know all this, everything that is linked to that. The miscarriages can be you have to work it out for the child that comes. The miscarriages can be you have to work it out for the child that comes after miscarriage or an abortion. All this work I remember. It's very funny because during the training actually, I remember that when Mark wanted to work about the miscarriage and abortion, when he came to me I said I'm fine, I'm good, I made peace with it and everything. He said you got to do it. I said no, I'm telling you I'm good. He said if you don't do it, I'm not going to satisfy you. Oh, wow, wait yeah so.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, wait, yeah. So I say okay and I ended up in tears and one of the children that I did not have, which was an abortion, was your wife. It was Miranda. Really I remember that, yes.
Speaker 1:Full circle family constellation Full circle, exactly, exactly, and how these constellations all come together. Wow, yeah, it's amazing, wow, wow.
Speaker 2:And yet I thought that I had it working out. It's why we work only with 20% of conscious mind and this was why I called it the missing link. I say it many times because I thought that I knew it all until and we never do know it all anyway, Because every time there is something new that comes to the surface.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm usually envious of people that have never done constellations before and they're at their first constellation because they passed that threshold, right. It's like Wizard of Oz, you know, dorothy's in the black and white and she's in Kansas, and then it's all color, right. It's like and it's 4K HD, you know, avatar. It's just, it's wild to see people that come through that threshold. And you know, I was somebody had just done a constellation. They'd come down and I was facilitating a constellation here in Fort Lauderdale and they were like now I know, now I understand, I'm like, yeah, that's. You know, we were entangled by these patterns and now we're breaking free of them.
Speaker 2:And everything. And it's interesting because this is how you start this talk about the mother the mother tongue, the mother country, the mother land. Remember, in Fort Lauderdale, the last time we, I think, it's the last time we worked together.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And all of a sudden I was inspired to have all those people that had difficulty with connecting with their country of origin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, that was beautiful.
Speaker 2:And you know how many people have called me after that to tell me how it changed their perspective and everything else. Yeah. Because you know all those things and they're all about the mother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So I did a variation of that mother one and I did the four Ms. So four Ms is you do two lines of people the first line is working and then they represent your mother and then the other line you know is working, and then they represent your mother and then the other one. The other line represents money, then the other one represents your motherland and then the other one represents your meaning, your meaning in life yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like staggering and going that was, that was such and that was inspired by you. Yeah, that was inspired by you. Yeah, that was inspired by you. That was a very, very powerful one.
Speaker 2:I love it yes.
Speaker 1:It's a heavy lift, but it's really good.
Speaker 2:It's good that we can inspire each other and we do it with so much love and gratitude and everything else, which is wonderful, because there is something beautiful about that, because in business usually there's always a little bit of competition and not incarceration. No. Because it's all about openness. Yeah, there's so much abundance, exactly, and sharing and sharing Family it's the premise of the mod abundance, exactly and sharing and sharing.
Speaker 4:Family.
Speaker 2:It's the premise of the modality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the premise of the modality that you know that there's an infinite level of abundance out there that we just it's just waiting to get tapped into. You know, and that's what I love. It's so collaborative and we help each other out, and it's just part of where this comes from, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, masha, tell me, tell me some of the surprises that you've had over working with your mom. What has that, that been like? What's, what's some of the like happenstances or curiosities that have happened, you guys working together?
Speaker 4:She surprises me every day happened, you guys working together.
Speaker 4:She surprises me every day. That's such a gift. That's so cool. Um, well, I mean, she's such a character really like. She is definitely this, um, I think that's why she belongs like on stage with all these people and watching her, because she is, she is such a character really. You know, she, um, and she's able to go deep inside of her heart but also has like a sense of humor and so all of these different things. So, um, surprising, um, you know she's has such multi facets about her. You know she can play.
Speaker 4:You know there's the card one, the card Michelle, who plays cards, and she can get lost in her cards for hours and hours and hours. And there's the mamish. You know the grandmother who doesn't say no, who's like anything. You want my grand, whatever you want, you want money, I give you money. I am money. There's the tough cookie. You know who's like.
Speaker 4:I need to find out and get to the bottom of this because it is driving me crazy. You need to find out what to do here. You know all of these different things. So I I'm always, you know, on my toes, ready to. I mean, there's been so many times where she's about to go on her either it's you or I am, or something, and she's like, oh no, something's not working and I'm in my car on my way going to. So it always keeps me on my toes. It's really fun.
Speaker 4:And obviously all the great perks of going to Abu Dhabi and Mexico and being able to go to all these different UPW Tony events and meeting so many wonderful people. And I think the best part of all of those things is she goes my mom goes in the wheelchair because it's easier. I mean she can walk. It's funny when people see her walking and they're like she walks just faster. And like when I'm wheeling her to the bathroom because there's a short break and she has to pee, and people stop in front of her and they say, can I just hug you and I just want to tell you how you've changed my life, and I'm like and I have to navigate her and get her to the bathroom or whatever. So it's always a lot of fun and it's, yeah, every day. It's kind of an adventure, right, mom? We it's kind of an adventure, right, mom? We have a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:I just want to say something. When I am, you know, in the most, in the most what you call it luxurious hotel of Abu Dhabi, I bargain with the guy on the cashmere shop.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she's like she's. She was told it's always very cold at these Tony events. And she's like we're at this beautiful hotel and this guy is selling, I don't know, scarves made from goat the most beautiful. And she's like I tell you what I buy, two, and you know she's haggling like those funniest thing and you know. And then she'll start talking and saying about what she does, and and then they're always. Everybody falls in love with her and it's, it's great. You know, it's really it's good to be michelle blackner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's that's such a cool thing to witness, especially with your family. You know, and that's I was's such a cool thing to witness, especially with your family. You know, and that's I was hearing Jordan Peterson talk about you know, working with your family, that you know, if you raise your kids right and you do this work, that you may have the opportunity and the gift to work with your kids Right, and it's like such a like and you get to have the inside jokes and you get to live life together Right, and it's like such a beautiful thing that you have these experiences and, especially in this phase of life, that you just have like you're adults and you can and you you like each other right, it's not by obligation, you just really enjoy each other's company and you can clearly see that that you guys have such a good time together and navigate these incredible opportunities together. It's just what a it's like a miracle you know to to to have that especially, and that's why I wanted to make this conversation.
Speaker 1:You know, like the mother-daughter relationship that you know so many people struggle with and that that there's beauty in this.
Speaker 4:We've definitely like we've definitely had our struggles, Like I don't want anyone.
Speaker 1:Nobody does yeah.
Speaker 4:We've worked through, yeah, we've worked through. We've worked through a lot of stuff, and so, um, and, and that's what's so important, is that you know, when you start realizing that the relationship that you have with your mother and your father are really important, you and they'll dictate all other relationships that you have in your life and you want to heal that shit. And so, even though our relationship my mom and I was never traumatic or anything that was dramatic or anything like that the regular, just mother-daughter stuff that comes up we've healed through that. We can laugh through things.
Speaker 4:She could tell me when I'm being a pain in the ass. I could tell her when I'm being a pain in the ass. I could tell her when she's being in pain in the ass, and that's all about the honesty thing. Sometimes I'll be like my mom stop, like enough. Or she'll say to me you know, masha, you better, you know, change your vibration, you know. So we both call each other out. You know, like the other day, I don't know what was happening, and she says something like I, I really want, I go, I choose, you know. So we're both are each other's reminder of all of this work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know that's you know and that's you know. I, um, you know that's and I think that's the real story here is that, even though there's difficult times and challenges, that if you work on your shit and my favorite saying right is like if you work on your shit that there's light on the other, on the end of the and there's this incredible reward of like connection and memories and live experiences together on the other side of this, that can you can create a family that collaborates, that are all aligned, that all, all are on the same kind of momentum towards healing. So you know and and you guys just display that beautifully not to minimize you know the struggles of the past in any way, but to really say the struggles are part of the story. You know the struggles is what makes it worth it, you know.
Speaker 4:Totally.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's always wonderful, and this is why it's so sad when you have systems where the mother passed when the child was very young. Yeah, and you can see what happens afterward, because the mother, even when the mother is a pain in the neck, even when the mother is very difficult and challenging and everything else, it's really an imprint and I'm grateful for my pain in the neck, mother.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, because she really taught me so wonderful things about life as well, you see. And then also, what happened and that is very important is to remember that that mother behind you has been a child too. Yeah, yeah. Has been a child having to deal with the mother's trauma of her own mother and all the stuff that has happened even before, generations before.
Speaker 1:So we got to give a break to mothers, yeah, yeah, and that they did the best that they could with what they had, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and no one can work alone. It's an equal system. Awareness that we work together and when you think about it and it's why I'm grateful to you that you have taken this opportunity to talk about mother and daughter is in this work, is the most essential relationship.
Speaker 4:Really is. I mean, when you think about it, when it ties like what you said, you know money meaning, all of those things are what make us thrive and have the potential of making our lives really more meaningful. So it's an important relationship to work on. I mean, it's a relationship that Mark Wolwin was told to work on first when he was going blind and was having all of those things. So you get to the root of that. I mean I could see myself like in my role of mothering when things happen and you know crap happens and problems occur and issues come up.
Speaker 4:I can see why some mothers can choose to check out emotionally when things get really hard, when things start happening, and how difficult it is to stay present.
Speaker 4:So I've been analyzing a lot of the ways that when I'm confronted with an issue with my children, I really check in with myself and see the different ways that I would like to respond.
Speaker 4:Some of the ways that I'd like to respond sometimes is getting on a plane and going somewhere warm and just laying on a beach somewhere and letting someone else take care of it.
Speaker 4:So I understand, you know, like now I understand, why some parents, some children, can later on say oh, my mom just always seemed very checked out whenever there was an issue, whenever there was a problem. So it takes a lot to be present when your children are in pain, to be present when your children are in pain, because there is no harder pain to deal with as a parent than seeing your children in pain. So all of this, all of these tools, help us as mothers, fathers, to really be present with that pain and to also understand that when I see my children in pain, I check in with my inner child, because that is something that's triggering for me and to really begin to allow that check-in process so that the solutions can come up, so that we can start, you know, so I could think clearly, because as mothers, really that's and fathers, that's the most important thing you want to be able to. You choose to be able to think clearly, rationally, and so that the guidance can come in. I'd read some. I'd read this quote years ago and it was Jacqueline Kennedy who wrote it and she said something like years ago, and it was Jacqueline Kennedy who wrote it and she said something like if you boggle, you know, if you bungle raising your children nothing else you do well in life will have much meaning and
Speaker 4:it's something that I think about all the time in terms of even, you know, purpose and and doing the work and and getting out there in a big way, because I've always chosen to really be very present with my kids and to be there and to do things for them, with them and that in mind, but because I really feel that it's not about, like, what school they go to or their accomplishments or their successes, cause we know that that is something, that that's their journey, right.
Speaker 4:But to be a mother that can give your children that love and that support and stay present and not bring their own shit to the table is a very it's challenging thing to do at times, so we need all the help that we can get to do that. But it is something that I think about all the time, about, you know, these are my children. They came to me and it is my responsibility to make sure that I give them the tools and the resources so that they can have the lives that they want to have, that they choose to have. So it's something that I think about all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4:One quote from Jacqueline Kennedy.
Speaker 2:It's just. There's something that is important to have, because neither one of us here had this problem, but we see a lot of couples then part and when the parents fight and criticize each other to their children because we see a lot of it in this work, as you know, yeah, challenging they make for their children to grow up in an healthy way. Yeah. Because if you criticize their mother as a man to your children and then they criticize the father as a woman, the children don't exist anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They lose all marks. Yeah, you see. So that is very important always to underline when we do this work with people, because they often forget.
Speaker 1:They often forget, yeah, yeah, and how much the tongue can create but also destroy, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Okay, and I mean it's unbelievable the number of people that don't realize that they do that to their children, that they do that to their children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what I think you know. Tying Masha's point before to this point is that you know our children are barometers, right In some way, of what's going on.
Speaker 1:And Masha, I think you're absolutely right they know, yeah, they know, and they're representing that inner child wound that we have that we haven't dealt with yet and that may be anxiety or, you know, disconnection, or maybe you know some compulsive behavior or whatever. That is that you'd be like what's wrong? It's like, how about parenting through constellations? Have you ever had that approach? Right? It's like, and I feel and I think at the beginning of this conversation we were, we were having this like I feel so terrible about people that don't have access to this tool, like I feel a deep sense of responsibility and duty to say to to get this work to as many people as possible because they're living lives of suffering without having any way out. They just they're tied in this pattern of pain and repeating a pattern over and over and over again, when there's this extraordinarily effective tool that can break these cycles and give people meaning.
Speaker 2:But this is why it's important to spread the word. Don't even think about people that cannot have access. Think of everybody that we can access, focus on this and be grateful for everyone that we have access to and that have access to other people that have access. Every day I get texts, I get emails. Someone told me about you. And they said that you're lying.
Speaker 2:Da da, da, da, da da da and they make you and they said that you're lying. That, that, that, that, that, that you know and they make appointment, that they do and you know it's. It's that way and we have to focus that. This is the only way. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's happening, yeah, it's happening. 15 years ago when I met you, yeah, it's happening. 15 years ago when I met you, I remember it was 33,000 facilitators in Brazil, because Brazil is a very evolved country for that, it was not 33,000 people that knew about Constellation then. Yeah, yeah. So look at that yeah.
Speaker 4:It's amazing. Yeah, look at that we are. It's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Look at that we are pioneers and you are young.
Speaker 4:So you have to continue the work even deeper and even more, and with all your soul. Well, john, I already have John and his family that are going to take me in when you're not here anymore, so already made that plan for myself. But can I share a story, a parenting story? Yeah, of course. So recently my son had some shoulder issues and he plays ice hockey and it's his life Like it's his passion, and right now you know he's on the road to, you know, going to college and playing hockey at college. That might happen, whatever. It is his path and stuff.
Speaker 4:And it was brought to the table that these shoulders needed surgery and if you know anything about hockey, hockey season lasts like forever. It's just ongoing, right. So we were I very much wanted to get the surgery right away. Get it done. You know what You'll get back. You'll be back in time for next season. Let's do this.
Speaker 4:And you know, my husband played hockey in college and so we're a big hockey family and everybody was on board, including my son, and then I don't know, obviously, like things shift and he was saying that he wanted to finish the season, that the coach wanted him to finish the season too and that he can rehab the shoulders and then afterwards get the surgery and whatever it is. So I wasn't too happy about that, like I just I'm somebody who likes to just get things out of the way and let's do this and whatever. So I went to Susie Tucker had a workshop a couple of weeks ago and I was fortunate enough to be able to go, and she said to me is there anything that you want to work on? So I said you know what, yeah, I want to work on. I want to get some clarity around my son and the shoulder and everything. So she asked me to pick someone to pick to represent my son. So I picked this guy and I pick him because I know that he's a facilitator, so I know that you know what he's going to get the job done. And he was young-ish. So I said, all right, I'm going to pick him to play Max.
Speaker 4:And then she picked other people to play all of the men in my family. So you're my husband, my dad, my husband's dad, all of the generations behind the one playing Max. And it was very emotional for all the men and very beautiful. The unfolding was incredible and it was about this surgery and the end result was that for a little while longer because you know how Susie is big on those words and those statements but for a little while longer, exactly as I am, exactly as I am for my son, for a little while longer. He wants to stay, exactly as he is, and it seemed like all the men were really on board. The guy playing Max was, you know, just very emotional and he was expressing himself. So I only know this guy as a facilitator. He has a big Instagram presence, like he's really, you know, out there doing a lot of things, and he tells us that he played hockey throughout his entire youth.
Speaker 4:And that hockey, in fact, has made him the man who he is today, and that he uses hockey in his coaching, in everything that he does. Oh, wow. All of a sudden my eyes opened because it was like it's not just a sport, this is like and I knew that before, but it's different when you feel things on the field and you see things in front of you.
Speaker 4:It's like the whole rewiring of the brain starts to happen. Everything happens on such a deeper, more meaningful level. So I was transformed in this. The men were transformed by it. Everybody around was just you know. I mean, like people who thought like hockey was just a game all of a sudden were like, yeah, this is like amazing. Like I think everybody wanted to be a hockey player, or no one, or oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, the second. The constellation ended at four. You know four o'clock that constellation. I go back to my seat. I thank everybody and you know she does another consolation. I don't look at my phone or anything like that. And at the end, you know it ends at 5 pm. And I just look at my phone for a second and I see that there is a text that came in from my son to my husband and I and it said I have chosen you know the coach is going to call dad later on I have chosen to delay the surgery. I'm going to finish the season. This is my story and I just want you to support me, but I'm doing it no matter what. Wow.
Speaker 4:So I was able to write back with a very light heart and deep clarity and deep knowing I love you and I support you and like my mom, says you cannot make up this shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it was, and the text came at 4.15. You told me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it came. As soon as the consolation ended he sent that text oh my gosh jeez so you know he's playing.
Speaker 4:I mean, you know we'll see what happens, and but this was his decision and, no matter what happens, I keep hearing Susie with that statement for a little while longer, exactly as I am. So, yeah, so in parenting, using family consolation is definitely advisable, because, had I not been in that constant, like, obviously there was a big, deep movement, movement for everyone there, but it allowed me to truly release and allow and be the parent that he required in that moment. Maybe, if I hadn't, I would have said let's talk about this some more. Oh, you may think this is your journey, but guess what? It's my journey too, and I'm the one who's going to have to take care of you and I want you to get the surgery now. No, I am so grateful to Susie and to everybody who was there, because it allowed me, as a mom, to show up the way that I intend every morning to show up as and this is where the universal law and constellation gets so well connected is that Susie doesn't come to New York that often.
Speaker 2:She was there that day. Okay, because you created it, you created the perfect. You know, I could not do this constellation. I'm emotionally involved. Okay, you had to have the best. Okay because Susie, like Mark, because I, you know, I really trained with both of them and I love them because they're so great together, masculine and feminine energy Susie was there exactly the day because she was there twice, two Saturdays in a row. Okay, no, the Saturday and the Sunday I'm sorry, no, no, no, it was Saturday.
Speaker 4:And then she came back the following Saturday, the following Saturday yeah, I forgot the Sunday. I'm sorry, no, no, no, it was Saturday.
Speaker 2:And then she came back the following Saturday.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I forgot the words and you went that time where you had to hear that and I went the week after, and it was again very well good timing, john, if you would have seen the guy who I chose to play. It's not like I looked at him and thought, oh, you look like a hockey player. That didn't cross my mind at all. I mean, there is nothing. I assume that everybody in there, whatever this guy, there is nothing about him that screams hockey player, nothing, hockey player, nothing. So then to know that and I get chills thinking about what he benefited from, because he also, you know, told us afterwards he has a two-year-old son and you know. So all of the healing and that's why we're so interconnected in all of this. And when you go on the field, you create this family, and your soul and your ancestors show up for you in the best way possible. So it really like it really was amazing.
Speaker 1:If we wrote a movie about the coincidences that happened, people would be like, no, we don't believe it. That's not true. Yeah, no, because you know, and it happens every single time. It's like turning the light on. And you know, for the longest time I thought about, you know, when COVID happened, it's like did the magic go away, you know, did the? You know, in Encanto you know the movie Encanto did the little, you know light go out? Did the little candle go out on zoom?
Speaker 1:And we were like people 3000 miles away in in Australia, or you know, four or 5,000 miles away in Australia, we're having the immediate reaction and you know representation, and it was 12 hours apart.
Speaker 1:It was just, it's just such a, it's a miracle we live in, we live in in, work in, in, in, in a miraculous modality and I'm, I'm so grateful that I get to do this stuff with people like you, you know, like both of you, you know it's, we're so blessed and and I'm, I'm so excited about what the future holds and, um, you know, just just making this legacy and helping heal the world. I mean, that's what I think, what we're doing at the end of the day, right, we're helping heal the world and not, you know, create more connection and create more, more abundance and create more lasting stories. And, michelle, your work with, and both of you work with with Tony Robbins, you know, of all people of you know this, this massive voice and and this work is incredible and, and some of the people that we're connecting with is I'm just so humbled. I get very emotional when I think about this, but you know, I get very just being in presence of grace and I see that happening in consolations on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, To need them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so thank you guys so much for this. This has been such a cool conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm so blessed to call both of you friends, you know, and family, and my energetic family, you know, in so many ways and, you know, just want to always honor you, michelle, and for everything that you've done for me, in particular, because you've worked on my business. You facilitated constellations for me, you know. So I'm always extraordinarily grateful and one of the reasons I'm here doing what I'm doing is because the conversation that you and I had in the car we were driving to do another podcast and you're telling me that we need to spread this right and I'm listening. So I'm here to serve and I'm so happy I get to do it with people like you. So, and Masha, I'm listening. So I'm here to serve and I'm so happy I get to do it with people like you and Masha, I'm so excited about what the future holds. So, yeah, this is very exciting and thank you guys.
Speaker 2:And I'm excited of everything where you're going to bring it, people like you and Masha where you're going to bring it, how far you're going to bring it. So I will be the ancestor watching from behind.
Speaker 1:We'll keep you properly staffed and worked. Yeah, exactly, we'll be well supported and well staffed.
Speaker 2:I'll be behind you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:We'll work with you Don't worry yeah.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, yeah, don't worry, you won't get bored.
Speaker 2:Last thing I wanted to be bored.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly so. If people want to get a hold of you, how does that happen? What's the best way to do that?
Speaker 4:So it's really accessible. I mean it's michelleblechnercom is her website and we also are on social media Missing Link Masha216 on Instagram Very, very accessible. I think. My phone number is up on the website so you can call me, you can text me, and I have a lot of people calling and texting me to coordinate appointments with Michelle. So, yeah, you could find us.
Speaker 1:Definitely, and you're going to be here. You come to South Florida often and you guys do come to South Florida often. So, you know, keep an eye out and follow all the social media links. It's, you know, an incredible opportunity. You know I've done so much work with you, michelle and Masha, that I'm just so grateful and don't miss the opportunity if you have it. So, thank you guys so much. Love you guys. This has been amazing. Love you, thank you so much.
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